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Pope Joan txt Pope Joan, text ebook Pope Joan, adobe reader Pope Joan, chapter 2 Pope Joan, Pope Joan 0294a6 A World Wide Bestseller, Major Motion Picture And Upcoming Director S Cut TV Mini Series Exclusively For The US For A Thousand Years Her Existence Has Been Denied She Is The Legend That Will Not Die Pope Joan, The Ninth Century Woman Who Disguised Herself As A Man And Rose To Become The Only Female Ever To Sit On The Throne Of St Peter Now In This Riveting Novel, Donna Woolfolk Cross Paints A Sweeping Portrait Of An Unforgettable Heroine Who Struggles Against Restrictions Her Soul Cannot AcceptBrilliant And Talented, Young Joan Rebels Against Medieval Social Strictures Forbidding Women To Learn When Her Brother Is Brutally Killed During A Viking Attack, Joan Takes Up His Cloak And His Identity And Enters The Monastery Of Fulda As Brother John Anglicus, Joan Distinguishes Herself As A Great Scholar And Healer Eventually, She Is Drawn To Rome, Where She Becomes Enmeshed In A Dangerous Web Of Love, Passion, And Politics Triumphing Over Appalling Odds, She Finally Attains The Highest Office In Christendom Wielding A Power Greater Than Any Woman Before Or Since But Such Power Always Comes At A PriceIn This International Bestseller, Cross Brings The Dark Ages To Life In All Their Brutal Splendor And Shares The Dramatic Story Of A Woman Whose Strength Of Vision Led Her To Defy The Social Restrictions Of Her Day


About the Author: Donna Woolfolk Cross

Donna Woolfolk Cross graduated cum laude, Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Pennsylvania in 1969 with a B.A in English She moved to London, England, after graduation, and worked as an editorial assistant for a small publishing house on Fleet Street, W.H Allen and Company Upon her return to the United States, Cross worked at Young and Rubicam, a Madison Avenue advertising firm, before goin



10 thoughts on “Pope Joan

  1. says:

    Interesting take on the legend, but has some flaws I think I m going to be another one in the minority here I found the idea of a woman disguised as a man seated on the papal throne to be an interesting legend and the author did a decent job with it I appreciated the research the author took on the period and customs of the times, which is not an easy task as so much is unknown about the dark ages The problem I had is the incredible coincidences throughout the book where Joan is just saved in the nick of time in true soap opera fashion think Days of Our Lives no better yet the Perils of Pauline from disaster upon disaster to chance upon chance of being discovered as a woman, to the near escape from the Viking raid and ad infinitum It never stopped until the very end, there were so many times where you just want to roll your eyes and say give me a break All in all a light pleasant read, but not one I m apt to write home to friends and family about nor one I will want to pick up and read again I d recommend getting it from the library first, and then buy it if you love it JMHO.


  2. says:

    About the only female pope back in the 9th century The Catholic Church today treats Pope Joan as legend created by the Protestants, but with over 500 documents to prove she did exist, it is but another bureaucratic cover up.A woman from Frankish lands with Saxon and English heritage in the 9th century going out there and doing it for herself It is a thinking person s book Lots of Latin in there, of course, because the language used in the church then was Latin But don t let that stop you from reading it You don t have to understand the Latin to follow what s going on Cross uses words that are not commonly used now, e.g basileus for king, throughout the book to put you in the story not too much to put you off, but enough to make you stop and think Great for keeping the grey matter active Oh, and there is a love story in there, too There are times that I think that 20th century thinking and attitudes tend to creep into the story but not enough to distract from it.I picked this up at a book exchange a couple of years back, because I needed to pick one book I was in the mood, recently, to read something historical that I could immerse myself in The story sucked me in from the very beginning a very good sign What can I say, but this book was exactly what the doctor ordered It is well researched and well written There are a few moments that seem contrived, but that s why it s called a _novel_ I still gave it a 5 star rating, though excellent An unexpected surprise to relieve my daily stress Highly recommended.


  3. says:

    NO SPOILERS In conclusion, having completed this novel, having struggled through to the end, I can say I did not like it I didn t like it from the start to the end When I voice this opinion, I am obviously in the minority I do appreciate that the author concluded with an informative author s note, which supports her belief that Pope Joan did exist, between the acknowledged Pope Leo IV and Pope Benedict III I found her arguments undeniably convincing I do not know whether Pope Joan existed or not, but I find the author s points valid Before I can say Pope Joan didn t exist, I would need to have several questions answered However whether Pope Joan existed or not is irrelevant to how I judge this book I did not like how the story was told The characters were two dimensional There were the good guys and the bad guys I vehemently disliked the cinematic tone characteristic of the entire novel It was ridiculously romantic and melodramatic Rarely do I so dislike a book I have said enough Below you will see what has annoyed me as I read through the book I do not need to reapeat these criticisms It is not the description of the era and the historical events that I am complaiming about I am complaining about how the story was told I would not choose to read another book by this author, but she doesn t need me since many others adore her writing Through page 204 I have read further One aspect of the book that I think the author handles well is the description of the era the religious beliefs, historical events, soothsayers, celebration of feast and market gatherings What I am enjoying is the author s descriptive abilities, her description of the time and place The struggles between the Saxons, Franks and Norsemen and between pagan and early Christian beliefs are included in the story This I appreciate, but even here the depiction is rather cinematic The reader cannot help but grasp the trends of the era Through page 148 Maybe my mood is off, but I find Pope Joan disappointing I find the characters simplistic and feminism emphasized to an extreme It also feels like a romance novel And Luke, he is a wolf for heaven s sake A wolf cub will not behave as he is portrayed in this novel It is too cute John Joan s brother is too stupid and jealous and bad, while Joan is so smart and forgiving and brave You can stack the characters in two groups the good guys or the bad guys.Here is an excerpt about the white wolf cub, Luke You judge Isn t this meant for the movies She looked at Luke Will it work, Luke Will it be enough to save me He titlted his head inquisitively, as if trying to understand It was a mannerism that always amused Gerold Joan hugged the white wolf, burying her face in the thick fur ringing his neck page 142 A movie has been made Perfect Maybe it will improve I do not give up easily Oh, I have had bad luck lately This will be my third not so hot book in a row Through page 98 I know this is a minor quibble but it is irritating How can one put a cover on a book that completely missrepresents the person s appearance In the book Joan has practically white blonde hair, deep set eyes of a grry green color and a thick fringe of eyelashes Look at the cover on my book How can you put this cover on this book It is a fun read, but I feel the primary message is feministic On every page you are confronted with how horribly and unjustly women are treated I know this is an accurate description of the times, but the message doesn t have to be pounded into our skulls So far the characters are rather simplistic Joan is so curious and intelligent John, her older brother is so unscholarly Joan s father is such a missguided religious fanatic and her Mom, such a Mom , loving her child deeply but also rather selfishly I planned to just read this for fun Stop being so critical, Chrissie Maybe I shoule read Mistress of the Vatican The True Story of Olimpia Maidalchini The Secret Female Pope next.


  4. says:

    Before I started reading this book I gave a brief summary to some of my friends who saw that I had just bought it and were wondering about it That got us into a heated discussion about how completely outrageous it is for a woman to dress up as a man How it s pretty much impossible to get away with it seeing as you ll always end up in some sort of situation where you have to reveal yourself for what you really are.That discussion ended up shading me slightly when I began to read, thinking, Really How is she going to be able to pull it off speaking of both the author and Joan herself But both were able to pull it off quite well and realistically.Not to be sexist, I don t know how much a guy would really enjoy this book, but I hope he would I would hope that he would actually pick up and read this book, because if you look past all the religious controversy of a woman being Pope, there is an underlying story of the beginning of feminism and a woman standing up for herself and pursuing her own dreams and desires despite everything that goes against her I would hope that a man would read this and realize that every woman has this potential and we are truly equal to men.Pope Joan, or at least the character of her in this book, is truly an inspiration to women everywhere She defied the odds and did everything she could to get what she wanted And apparently, if you want to bring in a religious aspect to this as well, God wanted this all for her too, or else things would not have worked out the way they did with narrow escapes and fortunate meetings.I honestly don t have much to criticize with this book I enjoyed it a lot and reading the author s notes at the end piqued my interest about this supposedly fictional character There is something in this book that will grab you, I guarentee it Be it the historical facts and events that were traced, be it the slight tale of romance hiding inside the bigger story, maybe it s Joan herself and her pursuit of knowledge, maybe it s the outrageous way women were treated There will be something in this book for you, I m sure Overall, I highly reccommend this book.


  5. says:

    Maybe I should NOT try to claim that I have actually and indeed finished reading Donna Woolfolk Cross Pope Joan, as I have now tried to peruse this here novel a total of four times and not been able or even in any way all that willing to proceed past page 100 or so always giving up in both despair and often even anger However, and my sincere apologies to those of you who have actually loved Pope Joan and there does seem to be quite a large number of fans , if I am unable to get past page 100 four times and counting, I do think that it is definitely the truth of the matter that I personally despise either the content or the author s writing style or perhaps even a combination of both to such an extent that I can and will only consider a one star ranking at best and really, if I could, I would be giving even a lower score than one star to Pope Joan And with Pope Joan, MOST and actually, really ALL of my objections have indeed absolutely and utterly been with regard to the manner in which the plot is depicted and its narrational set up, with the manner in which the story is written is being told , in other words, my issues with Pope Joan are generally NOT with regard to the themes, the context, the information and details of the story, but with HOW Donna Woolfolk Cross has chosen to present, has chosen to pen her tale for I personally do in no way either know or even dare make any comments as to whether a female pope perhaps did exist, as to whether there actually might have indeed been a historical, but for obvious reasons officially denied and suppressed by the Catholic Church Pope Joan, and truth be told, I actually did rather enjoy perusing the well researched and informative author s note and think that Donna Woolfolk Cross s assertions that there likely was indeed a bona fide Pope Joan do make quite a bit of common and also intellectual sense But my in many ways glowing appreciation of the author s research on the topic of Pope Joan and how Donna Woolford Cross has organised and penned her supplemental notes quite and utterly notwithstanding, what has definitely and yes ALWAYS defeated me and majorly annoyed me every time I have tried to unsuccessfully peruse Pope Joan is simply and utterly that the author s writing style and mode of expression are simply and utterly NOT AT ALL for me and that at least in my opinion, Pope Joan reads like pure and unadulterated cinematic trash, with history, cultural descriptions, with all that would make a historical fiction novel of interest to and for me being drowned out by one dimensional stock like characters, and a textual wallowing in sex, violence and mystery And while this might well make Pope Joan interesting and engaging to and for some readers, for me, it has only made me cringe, grind my teeth and with frustration and exasperation cast Pope Joan aside every time I have attempted a perusal with the last time grudgingly trying again because certain family members were continuously pontificating about how wonderfully and expressively Donna Woolfolk Cross supposedly writes, and I kind of wanted to at least make a fourth effort, as my family already thinks I am a total and much too academic book nerd and snob.


  6. says:

    Whenever you see a legend, you can be sure, if you go to the very bottom of things, that you will find history. Vallet de VirivilleJoan Anglicus is a frustrated young girl The brightest and most scholarly of all her siblings, she is often denied the chance to learn because of her sex The Dark Ages were a time when womens brains were thought to be smaller than a man s and only needed for child bearing Why teach a girl to read and write Joan cannot accept this She runs away with her older brother, and after he is killed in a Viking attack, she disguises herself and assumes his identity at a Benedictine monastery As Brother John Anglicus, she is sought out for her great healing abilities and religious intellect, until eventually she is elevated to the highest throne in the world at the time, the papacy The story of Pope Joan, a woman who lived disguised as a man and rose to become pope of the Church in the ninth century, is one of the most fascinating in Western history, and one of the least known Most that have heard of her regard her story as a legend contrived by Protestant reformers, or so the Catholic Church would have you believe, not at all based on facts But as Viriville said, legend and history are often one in the same Even though much is not known of the Dark Ages, Woolfolk Cross has done her homework here This book is well researched and well written I was completely sucked in and had a hard time putting it down I found the history fascinating These troubled times were especially difficult for women as they still are today in some countries They had no property rights, no opportunity for education They could be beaten and raped by their husbands at will So it seems completely logical that a woman would chose to disguise herself as a man She certainly wouldn t have been the only woman in history to do so.So why deny she existed at all Extreme mortification of course, that a woman could deceive so many History provides many examples of the deliberate falsification of records to suit the masses But what of the proof What of the so called chair exam, where each candidate was examined to prove his manhood as part of the medieval papal conservation ceremony for almost six centuries What of the shunned street in Rome on which Joan reportedly John Anglicus gave birth to a child Even with these facts, given the confusion of the ninth century, it is impossible to know for sure if she existed We may never know if there really was a Pope Joan True or not, I sure had a good time reading about it though An excellent book.


  7. says:

    Pope Joan is a figure I was aware of but knew next to nothing about, her existence is surrounded by mystery and so she seems the ideal figure to write a historical fiction novel about Author Donna Woolfolk Cross writes an interesting tale about what could have been a young girl s life in that time.Daughter of a canon who values women little and definitely finds them unworthy of an education her Joan has to struggle from early on to pursue her studies Luckily she finds a monk willing to help her learn and who eventually will lead to her being accepted at a school Much brighter and intelligent than her brother, Joan stands out as a student and eventually develops an attachment to Gerolt, the nobleman in whose house she leaves in But Gerolt leaves and the village is attacked by Norsemen.To survive Joan disguises herself as her dead brother and becomes John As a man she is easily accepted and continues her studies at the Fulda monastery and later travels to Rome where she is known as a dedicated scholar and a celebrated healer Her fame is such that she is called to attend the Pope and so enters the Vatican s sphere of influence There she will understand the politics behind the scenes and she will meet Gerolt again.The story is very easy to read and proceeds at good pace However I did feel that Joan, as a character, was a bit too perfect to be totally believable Not only that but some things seem to happen too easily or too coincidentally I suppose I would have liked to see of her thought process and she having to work to get where she ended up She does have some painful decisions to make regarding her relationship with Gerolt but everything else seemed to fall into place quite easily I did enjoy learning about the politics behind the throne, the same as in every other kingdom, and was surprised to learn about the power of the people in the election of the Pope.History is full of possibilities and this was certainly an intriguing story that kept me interested till the end Thank you so much to the author for sending me the book.Grade 4 5


  8. says:

    This was a novelisation of the life of the probably real female pope, Pope Joan So few records remain that historians cannot agree on whether she actually existed, and the facts of her life are few, so the author had lots of scope for invention Her use, than once, of amazing coincidences to get Joan out of trouble bothered me, but I couldn t fault the historical side of the novel She obviously did a lot of research, and has recreated the look and feel of an often overlooked part of history, which made for a fascinating read.And, reading this book, you know why they called it the Dark Ages Her vivid descriptions of the life people led back then, and the terrible attitudes and superstitions of society, made me very glad I didn t live in those times Everyone suffered, even the wealthy, but the poor lived short lives of deprivation and hardship To be a poor woman was the worst of the worst, with men firmly convinced that women s brains weren t able to be educated that even to try was a sin and an abomination and that women were no than a useful chattel.Joan, in desperation to escape this limited life, seizes her opportunity to impersonate her dead brother, and takes his place as a monk at a monastery, where her clever mind delights in learning Thus her gender bending life begins, a life that takes her all the way to the Church s highest office, with no one any the wiser that John Anglicus is really a woman.I particularly enjoyed seeing the mindset of the people of those times Though their attitudes were enough to make a modern woman grind her teeth, it was interesting to get a feel for how people saw the world in those times These characters aren t just modern people parading through the book in ninth century costumes They truly are from another world I m glad that world is gone, but it was interesting to read about.


  9. says:

    I was so torn while reading this book It was decent writing, the characters were strong but there were a few problems for me Everyone was a caricature with the exception of Joan What I really hated, though, was how the author took a great possibility of a story and turned it into flaming feminist rhetoric Every favorite feminist theme was there, from rape and abuse to abortion Why can t smart girls sew and cook as well as dumb ones And why isn t it OK to be dumb, for that matter, if you re a girl The book showed with John Joan s brother that you can still be valiant and dumb I found the love story completely crazy as well It put Joan in the worst light she was willing to sleep with the guy but not commit Isn t that what our society deplores so much, but with men I felt it was one of those books which seeks to take history and Oprah ize it, put modern thoughts and feelings in characters from a real period in history A dangerous game, if you ask me I was disappointed because it was engaging and very descriptive I have to admit that being a woman during the dark ages is always something I have shuddered to think about I could go on, but you get the idearemember, this is just my opinion


  10. says:

    Stunning story about the first alleged female Pope Donna Woolfolk Cross takes a thousand year old legend and writes a compelling back story that left me with many questions Pope Joan begins her life as a precocious English child with a thirst for knowledge who eventually fools everyone to become Pope Steeped in history, Cross explains how this happened with a fascinating tale of ambition and adventure A great read, she describes many common practices that the leaders of the church follow today, perhaps because of the impostor If you like church history, read this If you life woman s history, read this, If you like legends, read this In other words, if you enjoy a well written tale of something that might have happened to influence the world as we know it today this this is the book for you.


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