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On Politics: A History of Political Thought From Herodotus to the Present chapter 1 On Politics: A History of Political Thought From Herodotus to the Present, meaning On Politics: A History of Political Thought From Herodotus to the Present, genre On Politics: A History of Political Thought From Herodotus to the Present, book cover On Politics: A History of Political Thought From Herodotus to the Present, flies On Politics: A History of Political Thought From Herodotus to the Present, On Politics: A History of Political Thought From Herodotus to the Present 1408c466c3a35 Both A History And An Examination Of Human Thought And Behavior Spanning Three Thousand Years, On Politics Thrillingly Traces The Origins Of Political Philosophy From The Ancient Greeks To Machiavelli In Book I And From Hobbes To The Present Age In Book II Whether Examining Lord Acton S Dictum That Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely Or Explicating John Stuart Mill S Contention That It Is Better To Be A Human Dissatisfied Than A Pig Satisfied, Alan Ryan Evokes The Lives And Minds Of Our Greatest Thinkers In A Way That Makes Reading About Them A Transcendent Experience Whether Writing About Plato Or Augustine, De Toqueville Or Thomas Jefferson, Ryan Brings A Wisdom To His Text That Illuminates John Dewey S Belief That The Role Of Philosophy Is Less To See Truth Than To Enhance Experience With This Unparalleled Tour De Force, Ryan Emerges In His Own Right As One Of The Most Influential Political Philosophers Of Our Time

10 thoughts on “On Politics: A History of Political Thought From Herodotus to the Present

  1. says:

    Talk about bad timing Ryan has obviously been writing this book for years now, and had it been released in, say, 2007, it would have seemed perfectly sensible It s important to discuss political ideas, to think about how we rule and are ruled, and from where we get our assumptions But with the world economy in a never ending tailspin, massive unemployment in most developed economies and faltering investment rates in developing ones, a very real resurgence of class warfare and ludicrous ideology on both sides of the political spectrum, it s than a bit galling to have a tenured professor explain to you, in patient, lucid prose, that young people are very well equipped to deal with labor market flexibility, or that liberal capitalism works really well because this is not an exaggeration, he really uses this as his example contemplative people can become long distance truck drivers and have time to think and venture into their imagination In between, presumably, ingesting massive amounts of speed and barely sleeping while they try to make impossible deadlines that are demanded by their employers So Ryan has a very bad case of ivorytoweritis, but then, so do I, which I will now prove This text is at its most disturbing not when he s skimming over the ancient and medieval theorists, not when he s ignoring the historical conditions that give rise to political theories in the first place, not when he gives John Locke a free pass for his execrable arguments, nor when he fails to understand Hobbes, and not even when he purports to write about Marx without writing about, you know, Capital It s at its worst when it ignores the fact that the vast majority of important political thought since at least Marx, probably since Rousseau, and possibly since Montesquieu, has focused on social, cultural and economic matters instead of procedural and institutional matters This is a contentious claim, and maybe Ryan, like Straussians and other political science types, wants to insist on the continuing importance of the political But he doesn t do that he just ignores political economy, cultural criticism and social thought except when he s complaining that leftist cultural critics are exaggerating viz., the aforementioned happiness of the long distance truck driver and the joys of the flexible new economy It s no surprise that he doesn t understand the Frankfurt School it is a surprise that he seems to like fascists e.g., Schmitt and Gentile than the left liberals who, following Toqueville, point out that a population s s matter sorry about that than the political organization that is set up around those s and that our s today are destroying the planet For Ryan, social criticism is a kind of disease that leads evil people to complain about the greatest system ever set up to deal with human conflict liberal capitalist democracy of the kind under which most of us no longer labor Had he put off publishing this book for a few years, I like to think he would have changed his mind about that But then, professors who retire from Princeton to Oxford and then to private life probably weathered the great recession pretty well.An extra star for the book design, which is crazy sexy.

  2. says:

    After fits and starts, I have put this book down for another day although I did complete volume 1 and a good chunk of volume 2 On Politics A History of Political Thought From Herodotus to the Present by Alan Ryan s a magisterial work that brings together some of the great thinkers in Western political philosophy, and summarizes their points, and the history behind them Thinkers ranging from the ancient Greeks, such as Herodotus, Thucydides, Plato and Aristotle, through Cicero, Thomas Aquinas and Augustine of Hippo, Machiavelli and up through Moore, Paine, Locke and so on are summarized in a highly readable fashion I have put the book down as it is a bit dense for the season, and I am starting to fatigue even though it is a well written book I will certainly be looking to pick this one up again, and potentially even purchase a copy instead of reading my libraries version I can certainly recommend this book, and will write a in depth review upon actual completion As it is, it is certainly worthy of its 5 stars.

  3. says:

    A long time ago when I first took a class in political theory, we used George Sabine s magnificent history This book is a successor to Sabine although I have heard that the Sabine book is being updated It is a rich and wonderful book that I heartily recommend to anyone interest in classical approaches to political theory The book is organized to chapters that focus on a particular author and all the real classics are represented from Herodotus and Thucydides through Marx There is also a series of essays raising issues of importance to the 20th and 21st centuries that span the classic authors The chapters were without exception well written, rich in content, and helpful in provided needed context for a thinker and his work For some of the great political theorists, such as Plato, Aristotle, Rousseau, or Tocqueville, I would heartily recommend reading the originals where time and interest permit For a variety of other authors John of Salisbury , it might not be as worthwhile or even possible to read the original For these cases and others, the book is extremely helpful at providing a serious review of the work and the information needed to place the author within a broader context of thinkers.This book is not a casual undertaking and readers need to pay attention For those who wish to invest some effort in learning about political theory, this is one of the better possibilities around and superior to Fukuyama s recent volume I found the book very worthwhile, however, and didn t mind spending the time to work through it.

  4. says:

    An extremely well composed survey of western political theory, written by an accomplished political theorist Early in volume I, Ryan posits that the question of how men are best able to govern themselves has been one of the central refrains in the history of political thought His survey is written from the perspective of a proponent, albeit a cautious one, of modern liberalism One should not expect perfect objectivity or a full fleshing out of the theoretical nuances of each of the many figures that Ryan covers in this work What On Politics is intended to do, however, it does remarkably well it introduces or reintroduces readers to the pantheon of western political thoughtgives them historical and political context, and asks questions about them that may spark a reader s curiosity and encourage them to learn Most of the work is relatively chronological, until Ryan finishes with Marx, at which point the latter nineteenth and twentieth centuries are covered with several different brushstrokes in the last few chapters I was already familiar with many of the names Ryan covers, but learning lesser known names and looking at Ryan s references at the end of the book has expanded my to read list The writing is light, concise, and conversational throughout as well, which helped to keep my attention through 1000 pages of text.

  5. says:

    I really enjoyed this book, even when I didn t understand some of the political theories, because Alan Ryan s writing is wonderful Yes, I have read some of the chapters several times, before I decided that I need to just forge ahead and finish it.

  6. says:

    This is a major work and a welcome one Once upon a time, I thought that Sabine s history of political philosophy was the apogee in this arena But I think that the author, Alan Ryan, has actually surpassed Sabine He does a nice job of introducing us to the variety of political thinkers over time But his analysis of the works going beyond just description is the real contribution of this two volume set Ryan notes that page xxiii This is a book about the answers that historians, philosophers, theologians, practicing politician and would be revolutionaries have given to one question How can human beings best govern themselves For the record, he considers the following subjects thinkers, among others Herodotus, Plato, Aristotle, Cicero, Polybius, Augustine, Aquinas, Machiavelli, Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau, Hegel, Bentham, Mill, Tocqueville, and Marx There are also chapters on general subjects, such as republicanism after Hobbes and Locke, or the American founding, or democracy in the modern world.It is intriguing that he began the work with Herodotus and Thucydides Ryan dissects Plato and Aristotle nicely, exploring some of their major works and making sense of their arguments while sometimes raising questions about those arguments There is a lengthy and insightful analysis of Augustine s political thinking A key question that this thinker addressed page 149 .how seriously should a Christian with his eyes on eternity take the politics of his earthly life Machiavelli A diplomat who lost his job as a result of internal politics Some of his works were efforts to get back in the good graces of the rulers of Florence, such as the Borgias Much of the chapter explores The Prince, and Machiavelli s interesting analysis of what it takes to be successful There is also lucid discussion of Discourses, a follow up to his earlier volume with some interesting twists.There is relevance for the United States in quite a number of chapters For example, after the chapters on Hobbes and Locke, Ryan considers republicanism Here, he examines the works of John Harrington, Algernon Sidney, and Charles Louis de Secondat, the Baron de Montesquieu Each of these thinkers reflected on aspects of republicanism And each of these was referred to by America s Founding Fathers during the Constitutional era The discussion places the discussion of those Founders in a broader context.And so on A powerfully developed two volume set If interested in the history of political philosophy, this is an outstanding point of departure.

  7. says:

    Fokus er p filosofi mindre end historie, men begge dele indg r Der tages udgangspunkt i en r kke ber mte filosofiske tekster om politik, og disse tekster indrammes gennem diskussioner af de historiske forhold for de samfund, hvori teksterne er skrevet Hermed udelades meget interessant, og m ske meget af det, som jeg synes er interessant Udeladt er s ledes alle politiske forhold fra f r, der blev skrevet interessante tekster om politik Jeg kender naturligvis en del til dette gennem diverse antropologiske b ger Man kunne vel godt lige have n vnt, at politik ikke opstod med Sokrates Udeladt er ogs diskussioner af forholdet mellem praksis og filosofi Hvad er det egentligt, der g r, at nogle forhold bliver beskrevet i filosofien og andre ikke g r Er filosofien mest beskrivelser af allerede eksisterende praksisser eller er filosofien mere med til at forandre Udeladt er vist ogs diskussioner af alle de tekster, som ikke anvendes Det er s ledes som om, at disse store forfattere forholder sig til ret s luftige sp rgsm l, hvorimod en r kke andre forfattere eller praktikere faktisk bedriver politik Denne politik f r vi noget af, men sammenh ngen mellem den praktiske filosofi de sm forfattere og de store forfattere er uklar for mig.Vi f r en del om de politiske forhold, men det er vist mest t nkt som en slags kontekst for tankerne Det er nok fornuftigt nok, da det sikkert er meget vanskeligt at vide, pr cis hvad man skal fokusere p Alligevel savner jeg nok dette Jeg t nker ogs , at n r man har skr llet den egentlige politik bort, s er der egentligt ret f temaer tilbage til disse store forfattere Der kunne skelnes mellem religi s ret og verdslig ret og derefter kunne de andre forhold puttes p Mon ikke det kunne ordnes i et par skemaer Men klart nok, det er slet ikke stilen her Stilen er snarere l rd og meget nuanceret, s derfor passer det n ppe med alt for simple fremstillinger Super diskussion af Platon Han beskrives som anti politisk, idet han egentligt kun forholder sig til en t nkt situation, hvor politiske forhold ikke l ngere findes I hans tanker er der s ledes ingen kriminelle, ingen utilfredse osv., og dermed er politik reelt v k Super relevant i mange nutidige sammenh nge Det er sv rt at vurdere beskrivelserne af Platons samtidighed, idet det er uklart for mig, hvem han skulle sammenlignes med Skal han sammenlignes med nutidige religi se metafysiske eller med nutidige politiske Ryan sammenligner med politik og det er sikkert velvalgt Alligevel kunne en diskussion i forhold til de andre aspekter v re interessant.Super diskussion af Aristoteles Han fors ger at unders ge politiske praksisformer og laver nogle afg rende skel, fx mellem styreformer Nogle holder stadig, andre g r ikke Gr nserne for hans nutidighed diskuteres ogs fint Polybious beskriver omkring tiden, hvor Romerriget blev konsolideret gennem udryddelse af Katargo, hvordan politik ud ves og drager p den empiriske baggrund konklusionen, at Roms styrke best r i at mikse forskellige politiske typer sammen Han artikulerer s ledes ideen om miks som det centrale Han beskriver ogs en slags ligevv gtssystem, men naturligvis ikke som vi forst r det nu Cicero er vist kun med, fordi han er blevet ber mt Tror ikke, at han biddrager med noget Med Augustine bliver den uklare skelnen mellem religion og lov tydelig for mig Augustine skelner helt skarpt Foroven er der retf rdighed, men her findes den ikke og vi kan i alle fald ikke genkende den Her er vi syndere og skal og b r straffes Det er galt, hvis man straffes for noget jordisk, man ikke har gjort, men det g r ikke s meget, for i sidste ende er vi alle syndere og skal straffes Straf har s ledes en funktion, idet den kan f nogle til at forbedre sig Man skal rette sig efter lovgivere, ikke fordi de har ret eller er gudommelige, men simpelthen fordi de er en del af det, som gud har indstiftet Romerse borgere slap for tortur, hvis de blev anklaget for noget, og det skulle angiveligt v re den borgerret, som de v rdsatte mest Augustine bruger begrebet libido Dette overs ttes med k rlighed, men ligger nok t ttere p Bourdius libido Augustine mener s ledes, at man kan n re libido for alt, fx magt, dominans, penge, sex, og at man kan n re det for st rkt Dette svarer vel fint til Bourdieus brug, hvor libido n rmest er en drivkraft, som g r blind Aquinas lykkes benbart med at f ikl dt Aristoteles en kristen kl dedrat 237 Nobody before the sixteenth century would have thought that secular authority could be indifferent to the reltios pracices of it subjects A defense of toleration on the grounds that private religious practice was no busisness of the law would have been unitelligble The idea that each of us has a personal relationshop with an angry but loving god is wholly unclassical.Dante Pr misen er, at form let med et styre er at f subjekterne til at udvikle sig og govern sig selv moralsk for p den m de at opn frelse Derfor er Dante for fred, idet fred er en foruds tning for dette Der skelnes mellem descending og ascending authority Kirken og de fleste f lte naturligt at descending n sten altid er rigstist Descending er installeret af gud til kongen til unders tter Jeg t nker, at vi nu har et miks P den ene side taler vi meget om demokrati mm P den anden side praktiseres descending autoritet p arbejde, p markedet og i meget politik.Marsilius bruger Aristoteles til at argumentere for, at authority is moraly legitimate only when founded on the consent of a people He was perhaps the first writer to make that thought do some real work 274 Marsilius mente vel i tr d med ovenst ende at kristus havde givet diciplene ret til at r dgive og pr dke men ikke til at bestemme 280ff Kompliceret afsnit om italienske by stater og paved mmet Forst r jeg det rigtigt, blev romerreten anvendt i det meste af europa, om end i de udgaver, de nu lige fandt p rundt omkring Men dette er med til at forene vest europa 291ff Sv rt kapitel om humanismen Med Luther ser vi ud til at v re n et til vejs ende med ideerne om at lov skal forankres i gud h ber jeg da Jeg ser frem til at l se bog to, hvor argumentationerne vel bliver mere relevante.

  8. says:

    The thing I liked about most of the book is that it was easy to read and comprehensive It obviously does have flaws though, or else I wouldn t have given it such a low rating The author often gets lost in his thoughts and views the theories and societies of the past through the modern liberal lens, which means that the book comes down to being about the development of democratic thought in the West, which is not what the book is supposed to be about Since that is the topic of the book, he often interprets thinkers and political systems in a way that emphasises their liberal democratic aspects too much or even just spreads myths and half truths It can go the other way too, he can misinterpret a thinker to discredit him and be biased all the way through, an example of this that particularly frustrated me was Plato Further, Ryan tries to justify his way of writing by saying that if the populous isn t actively involved in government, the state isn t political, there may be ruling or management he says, but not politics This is frustrating not just because it s not true and is a lame excuse for his bias, but also because he openly uses it to discredit any political thought outside of the West as not really political and not developed enough save from maybe some exceptions I understand that the book is long enough as it is and that covering the traditions, ideas and political systems of all the cultures on the world is practically impossible, but the excuse he uses is so derogative and lazy that it is kind of disgusting It also comes to bite him in the ass once he needs to write about the middle ages, an age when Europe came to be ruled by feudal monarchies, the Church had great influence through both its spiritual and material strength, and political systems were active in the East This makes him limited in the second part of Book One and his hypocrisy comes closer to the surface However, the part that immediately follows, the first part of Book Two is when he shines, since concerning that period following the development of democratic thought only makes sense, the political systems discussed there are closer to home and therefore easier to discuss regardless of which way in the current a particular thinker prefers If I was to rate only that quarter of the book, I would have given it four stars It s too bad that the last quarter completely ruins Book Two as well, as it is reserved for general topics which then develops into incoherent rambling with no restraint on bias.

  9. says:

    on hold This book is being read by the Good Reads History Book Club for over a year and they are finishing shortly I became interested in checking out the book club upon reading that Neal Stephenson has been a member of a history only book club for twenty plus years Perhaps this Book One Two is available at the Nashua Public Library I am giving Book One a shot which is 399 pages and covers the ideas of Herodotus to Machiavelli The book jacket calls it a comprehensive, ambitious and accessible history of political theory After a quick scan, I agree Three Decades in the Making.I may try to break the two books into 200 pages sections to be read in 4 periods Let s see.I view this as the Poly Sci class I did not take in college.

  10. says:

    The author accomplished something that I have not encountered yet a very in depth detailed account of political history He does a wonderful job of taking you through the political climes and thoughts of all ages from Socrates and Aristotle into today s very divisive political arenas The read is very long and information dense, so it will take some time to get through the material Also, plan on devoting some time to diving deeper into certain topics and newly introduced political theorists You may try to resist doing this, but your curiosity will not allow for it.

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